The communist claim that right now workers only get paid "minimum wage." This minimum wage is the sum of money it is needed to keep the worker happy enough to keep working. If the worker isn't happy then the job wouldn't be done. Also the worker is expandable and lives only as long as the ruling class demands it. With this the communist say: "in bourgeois society living labour is but a means of increasing accumulated labor. In communist society accumulated labour is but a means of enlarging, enriching, and promoting the existence of the labourer." So do you guys think the communist are right and that people are oppressed and slave away at there jobs to live a life properly? And they say they can make working seem more personal and more rewarding for the worker. How would they be able to do this with out off setting the concept of how work, trade, and the economy function?
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I think that some people do slave away at their jobs. They aren't lucky enough to find one that suits them or have the means to obtain such a job. The then have no choice but to settle for a job that earns them a living.
ReplyDeleteI guess they could make work seem personal and rewarding it the world was perfect. It is not though so this task does seem impossible. What makes one person happy can make another miserable.
They assume that the party can determine what is right for the economy to function. I don't know if this would be possible. I think an economy is far to complex for that.
By working for the "community," as opposed to slaving away at a job, people may feel more inclined to have more pride in their work. If you knew that your work will better you and your community as opposed to just doing mindless labor wouldn't you do better work?
ReplyDeleteTony I agree but i feel like not everyone would want to work for the community some people do the mindless labor to be better then everyone else. It would work better if everyone accepted the idea.
ReplyDeleteI think that this is the root of the problem, not everyone is going to accept the idea. Of course communism would work if everyone agreed with the idea of working for the good of the community. I agree that today many people are stuck "slaving" away at jobs just to live a minimal lifestyle. However, we need people to do these jobs and for the most part the workers and community understand this. I don't agree that the communists would be able to make working more enjoyable and rewarding while still maintaining a balance within the economy. I just simply do not see a way in which it would work. I agree with M Doucette in that no one way would make everyone happier....the only "quick" fix would be to raise the pay. Eventually even that would not be enough. All in all, we are taking about work. Although it would be nice for everyone to enjoy their jobs, it is simple not going to happen. After all it is work.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, the communist would not be able to make it work. It is human nature to never be satisfied. People will always desire to rise above their current status. Men and women of the working class would strive for it when and if only their government would allow them the opportunity. Yet, if they were to fail, they would only have themselves to blame. However, in a communist society, where the opportunity is not given, the people will place blame on their government. Thus, the Proletarians will never feel rewarded nor fulfilled working within a communist society.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Lydia, People are never satisfied, and communism works by supporting the status quo. Communism is the perfect form of government on paper, but not in reality. People are not given the motivation to work harder, where here we have the motivation that maybe someday if we work hard enough, we can get out of their oppressive jobs, and into a more fulfilling one.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Maddi, the main problem in this situation is that not everyone is going to agree with the idea. Some people do slave away at work every day making minimum wage but they have to do it in order to get by and support their familys. Communists would not be able to make it work at all, and it would just never work.
ReplyDeleteI agree with a few different ideas that were said; mainly that a seinse of pride could be felt through working for a "community" rather than mindless hard labor. And I agree with Brad fully that communists can't motivate and won't be motivated to work harder, for themselves or for their community. I agree that today we've got much more of that. I don't think that the communists have the right way of doing this here. Their workers aren't motivated, they may never move up in their jobs or even on to a new one, and essentially, they're just making status quo and staying in their norm.
ReplyDeleteI think that the people never get tired or off-setted by their work because they are getting paid. Ya they start off at minimum wage, but they have bonuses and raises to look forward to in the future. People slave away at their jobs because they know they are getting paid for their hard work & when they are enjoying luxuries, smiles on loved ones faces and going on vacation it is all worth the hard work.
ReplyDeleteI would also agree and say that people are oppressed and slave away at their jobs to live a life properly. I do however disagree with your definition of minimum wage. I don’t think that it is the sum of money needed to keep the worker happy enough to keep working because if they weren’t happy with what they were doing they wouldn’t be doing it in the first place. They work at a minimum wage because they need it and because it’s the only job that they can get. Half the workers that are working at minimum wage are not happy at all. They just go to work in order to provide shelter and food for their families. I agree with what Maddi said also. The idea of communism would work if everyone agreed on the idea of working for the good but there are some people out there who are selfish. One’s who will not want to do anything that will help or benefit others.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Jenn. Communism would only work if everyone wanted only what they needed and weren't selfish. It is similar to the hippie lifestyle of the 60s which could have thrived had every single person been selfless. Communism can only work in an ideal world. Yes, people do slave over their jobs and many people aren't happy, but economically we need people on both ends of the spectrum. We need both the rich and the poor for our economic system to work. It is not an ideal system, but because of greed our society cannot have an ideal system.
ReplyDeleteElizabeth Anderson